Sure, it makes lots of noise and scares the crap out of everyone on the range, but it doesnt really punish the shoulder. Why not offer Patreon support since YouTube demonetized your channel? I would support you. The.243 Winchesters recoil produces 9.22 ft-lbs of energy at a recoil velocity of 8.48 fps. [20], The .33 Nosler was released in 2017 with Nosler supplying ammunition and components. I have taken a considerable number of big game with .338s, including elk, moose, black bear, caribou, deer, pronghorn antelope, grizzly and Alaskan brown bears and have also used them in long-range target work at distances out to 2,000 yards. Thanks a lot this really helped me out with picking a starting deer rifle for my son. For elk-sized game, it is recommended that you have at least 1,500 ft-lbs of energy, a Hornady HITS score of at least 900, and at least 1,900 fps of velocity. Using preproduction ammunition, muzzle velocity averaged 3,099 fps from the 26-inch barrel of the Nosler Model 48 Patriot rifle. Cheers To All of Those that Support Your Channel , the Second Amendment and Our Freedom Loving Nation ..!!!!!! AND, the Nosler 33 fits in a standard, long action receiver. The match-grade, stainless steel barrel is button rifled, hand-lapped and free-floated. Mag. The first to be introduced was .26 Nosler, followed by .28 Nosler, .30 Nosler, .33 Nosler, .22 Nosler, and .27 Nosler. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder dimension yet than that of the .30 Nosler. It doesn\\\t seem to follow the order of operations for math. RELATED: 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .308 Winchester. With the 225-grain AccuBond the .33 Nosler will deliver the same trajectory as the .300 Winchester Magnum with a 180-grain bullet. This also shortens bolt travel and usually results in a lighter rifle. Hi Jim, It comes close to .338 RUM performance but fits into standard (.30-06) length rifle actions. As hunting cartridges, both of these calibers are popular in bolt action rifles. The bolt body is generously vented to arrest and direct gases away from the shooter in the unlikely event of a ruptured case, while the bolt sleeve cap offers additional protection. I also think it rules out a lot of fine cartridges that I have seen people use very effectively. Once you are clear on your hunting goals, you can determine which caliber best suits them and you. I really like your YouTube channel, This got me started, but I found your formula confusing because of the way it is written out. We reserve the right to correct pricing errors. The name .28 Nosler refers to the first two digits in the caliber (0.284in; 7.2mm) of the bullets that the cartridge fires and the name of the company which created it. Since the .28 Nosler burns smaller powder charges than the 7mm RUM, barrel accuracy life is potentially a bit longer. I watched a video of another hunter in camp who shot a bull with a 225-grain Accubond and it dropped so fast it looked like it had been struck by lightning. While the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler share the same cartridge case dimensions, the .30 Nosler has a slightly shorter length to the shoulder dimension than the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler,[7] and the .33 Nosler has a shorter shoulder dimension yet than that of the .30 Nosler. I am interested in this, but your cartridge column seems to have values for velocity (fps), muzzle energy. At 300 yards, that advantage has expanded to 603 ft/s, as the .308 Winchester starts to lose its velocity faster. Sorry, I love Hornady ammo, but marketing is still marketing. Its a round that I was never really interested in until now because it seems to be the only ammo I can find these days. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." . While similar to the 6.8 SPC in some regards, there is no parent case and the .22 Nosler cannot be formed from 6.8 SPC brass. The .33 Nosler shares the same overall cartridge length 84.8mm (3.340in) as the .26 Nosler, the .28 Nosler, and the .30 Nosler, which allows it to be chambered in standard-length action firearms. Recoil is measured by free recoil energy, and recoil velocity. [16], According to a recent Nosler publication the .33 Nosler surpasses the velocity of the .338 Lapua Magnum by 25fps while burning 18% less powder. 225 gr. Where does the recoil of a 12 gauge shotgun fit in? In a rather crowded field of excellent .338 magnum rifle cartridges, the .33 Nosler is outstanding. With premium hunting bullets, they will completely penetrate a large Alaskan brown bear, moose and other large game, including Cape buffalo (where legal and as demonstrated by my old friend, the late Bill Jordan). Thanks Jim. The .33 will be introduced with a long-range load that contains the Nosler 265-grain AccuBond LR bullet pushed 2,775 fps, but that load was unavailable at press time. Many other companies have introduced .338-caliber cartridges with industry standardized examples including the .338 Remington Ultra Mag, .338 Norma Magnum, .338 Marlin Express, .338 Ruger Compact Magnum, .338-378 Weatherby Magnum, .338 Lapua, .338 Federal, .338-06 A-Square (very similar to the .333 O.K.H. The .28 Nosler produces a sharp, powerful recoil which most shooters find to be too much unless they shoot with a muzzle break or suppressor. Nosler adds a new cartridge in 2020, the .27 Nosler. Theres a lot of data here that I dont agree with like a 243 having more killing power than a 25_06 at 300 yds,aint gonna happen Ive owned both have shot deer at that distance with both 25_06 is supperior, in my experience and Im a great shot,ill back that up if you come to my personal shooting range!I shoot 416 Rigby with modern loads 400 trainers to 2650 fps no sweat! How does it compare to a 130 grain 6.5 Creedmore cartridge? Appreciate the podcast. 8. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. The .28 Nosler is also typically quite a bit pricier, and youll likely have to pay more for a nice rifle chambered in it as well. Thanks Jim! The 257 Roberts , 7 x 57mm Spanish , 7.5 x 55mm Swiss . Nonetheless, their performance captured the attention of major manufacturers. We can see that the .28 Nosler has quite a smaller bullet and length than the .308 Winchester: it is just its increased energy that makes it such a more powerful cartridge. Its fun to compare cartridges in a compact, informative way. Ballistically, the 30 Nosler is going to win most of the time at the expense of a relatively small amount of extra powder and barrel life. 300 PRC. For example; if you have a .300 Win Mag, you would select a 7.62/.308 muzzle device. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. Youre 308 load data at 202 grains seems really heavy. The 6.5 PRC generates 16.27 ft-lbs of energy at a recoil velocity of 11.19 fps. They also deliver terminal performance that is not much different than the .375 H&H Magnum, while offering a flatter trajectory and are generally chambered in lighter, handier rifles. as a person that cant have more the 15 foot lbs recoil going into my shoulder ( medical thing ) i find this very helpfull. The Nosler M48 Long Range weighs right at 9 pounds scoped and I was able to shoot 20+ rounds per range session without discomfort. Due to its greater length, the Remington case is about 25 percent more capacious than the Nosler.[17]. Should have some 265gr ABLR coming soon and see what they yield. It is the second cartridge designed by Nosler. While I still use hearing protection with a silencer, it makes the sound more tolerable. The 33 shares the same parent case (404 Jeffery) as the rest of the family but fires .338 caliber bullets for the toughest of big game. My own personal journey had settled me on the 7mm Rem. That the .33 Nosler fits into a standard .30-06 length action (maximum cartridge length being within 3.340 inches) makes it feasible to be chambered in many rifles and actions. Unlike the Barnes TSX and TTSX, the Nosler E-Tip has a smooth profile without any grooves cut into the bullet shank. Its twin bias erector system is constructed of shock resistant beryllium copper. I want this to be perfect. Great information here. It means that we have a rifle that more or less mimics the flat trajectory of the .270 Win. Your email address will not be published. Offered in twenty chamberings, the rifle features a sporter carbon fiber composite gunstock and a stainless steel radial muzzle brake built around a light target contour Christensen Arms carbon fiber wrapped barrel. In rough figures, this is around 175 to 250 fps faster than the .338 Winchester Magnum with the same bullet weight and barrel length, but also easily exceeds the .338 Remington Ultra Mag and is similar to the .338 Lapua while using approximately 18 percent less powder. Is it affordable? How much longer depends on a number of things, including barrel quality and whether a barrel is regularly cleaned and serviced or abused by its owner. The bulk you just have to resize and check length before you load . In general, most large-bodied and experienced adult shooters can comfortably shoot a rifle with a recoil velocity of under 13.5 fps without developing a flinch. I listened to your Youtube explanation of why but I think its a little bit of I like apples and dont like your oranges. Kinda talk. Also, how hard would it be to add a 12 and 20 gauge sabot slug to the work? [16], The .28 Nosler is essentially a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). A silencer can reduce a firearms recoil up to 45% while also making the gunshot quieter. Really simply great information, many thanks, did you consider looking at the .303? 2023 Backfire LLC, a limited liability company headquartered in Utah, USA. The shoulder is set back slightly compared to the 5.56 cartridge to prevent accidentally chambering a 5.56 cartridge in a .22 Nosler rifle. I hunted sheep in Alaska this fall and Ill admit that my little Kimber .308 felt pretty small when we were stepping over grizzly tracks in the alder-choked river bottoms. The .33 Nosler would be an absolute hammer on large African plains game including eland, zebra, wildebeest and kudu. It's extremely flat shooting and drops an incredible amount of energy on target. Disclaimer: Sportsman's Warehouse assumes no responsibility or liability for any errors or omissions of the information on this page. The .30-06 cartridge has a strong but not particularly sharp recoil. The .308 Winchester has a bullet diameter of .308", a case length of 2.015", and an overall length of 2.8". It is the fourth cartridge designed by Nosler. The 26 Nosler is a 6.5mm/.264" cartridge based on the beltless .404 Jeffery case and the round was an instant hit. During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. I would love to see a Googlesheets or Excel version where you can turn off cartridges (many of which I will never use/have) to slim down the table. The problem with muzzle brakes is that they increase the volume of the gunshot significantly. Both are great choices for long range shooting, . Im specifically comparing 7prc, 6.8 western, and 277 fury. If I were to get a 338 I would probably rebarrel a m70 Featherweight. We use cookies to make your experience better. Without further ado, I give you the rifle recoil database! Nosler's case will maintain that 250-275 fps gain over the Winchester case, in spite of sharing the same length. The .28 Nosler will often be chambered in more expensive precision hunting rifles, but there is a good selection of .28 Nosler rifles despite the less available ammunition. Thank you for all your work Jim. I wouldnt mind hunting but not sure how to start. I didnt feel the recoil and my ears barely registered the significant muzzle blast. and even bests the .340 Wby. Weight of gun + caliber + scope = animal / 300 yds Looking forward to 7mm08 discussion. I rewrote it this way for my own clarity: If you want to go between larger game and deer, the .308 Winchester might have a bit more versatility without blasting your smaller game to pieces. 16. 2) may run into an overall length or case capacity issues with the longer bullets. Have a lightweight granddaughter to test a few rifles recoil tomorrow, your time gathering this information is greatly appreciated and will definitely keep her from going into recoil shock. I believe this is one of the best recoil tables I have seen. The higher magnification settings make it suitable for taking game in open country where longer shots can be expected. We updated a few numbers in the chart but forgot to update the text. In golf, there is a sayingif you have to hit the best shot of your life with the club in your hand to make the shot.you have the wrong club in your hand( in other words it is most likely not gonna be a good shot so dont take that shot. It features a beltless case, functions in standard length actions, is powder efficient, accurate and offers impressive velocities. 60 years later, and 28 Nosler created in 2014, around 70-74 years after Roy's. I just pulled up some factory loads for the three and just wanted to show the difference in 70 years of development. I do agree that people wont keep their own rules when their personal trophy walks into view at an unreasonable range for what they are toting. These charts have been eye opening and informative, thank you. The primary use for the .27 Nosler is hunting. Some people look at the recoil energy of a 50BMG and think they will be KILLED by 83.17 ft-lbs of free recoil energy; however, the 50BMG is a physically heavy gun (usually over 30 lbs), so the recoil moves slowly (also because of the muzzle brake). Nosler is also offering rifles chambered in the .33 Nosler in its Liberty and Heritage lines, with the first rifle being the M48 Western. Thats the way we should feel about humanely taking deer. His chestnut face had the trademark forehead hump of a big, mature bull. The suppressor is the best way without the higher volume of noise? The .28 Nosler is a 7mm (.284") caliber, rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. Ill explain. Id like to see more AR calibers listed. Thanks in advance. The throats and cartridge overall lengths of their SAAMI design chambers are too short. That being said, the two cartridges are very similar and whether felt recoil is more in one cartridge or the other is more about rifle design than cartridge design. One thing Id like to ask is, if you still have the info handy, could you please add the rifle weight you used for each of the calculations so we could have an idea to expect more/less felt recoil with our rifle selections? Other notable features include a two-position safety, hinged floorplate, one-piece firing pin and an adjustable Rifle Basix trigger. [18], According to a recent Nosler publication, the .30 Nosler surpasses the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum, headspaces off of the shoulder like a .300 Remington Ultra Magnum and fits the same standard length action of a 300 Winchester Magnum.[19]. Noslers 225-grain E-Tip smashed the 16-year-old bulls shoulder, crossed through both lungs and came to rest against the hide on the opposite side of the animal. I just wanted to say thanks. 300 prc vs 28 nosler . Thanks. When taking game at longer distances, the .338 magnums boast considerable downrange energy that produce reliable results. Because of its mild recoil, it is often recommended as a good hunting cartridge for youth and small-framed shooters. The following ballistics tables show a side by side comparison of the 28 Nosler vs 308 Winchester based on bullet weight and performance metrics including velocity, energy, usage and recoil. Some that come to mind are the .243, 25-06, and 7mm-08. Muzzle brakes come in two basic varieties: radial port and side-port. Oct 15, 2009. The .30 Nosler is a 30-caliber (.308in; 7.62mm), rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. [10], The .26 Nosler cartridge specifications have been submitted to SAAMI and a data sheet is currently available.[4]. The .30 Nosler or the .300 PRC could easily be pitched against a .300 Win Mag, .338 Lapua, .308 Winchester or the .30-06 Springfield and still the basics of ballistics readings and accuracy groups would be close. Thanks for checking. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7.2mm or 0.284" while the 300 Win Mag fires the more common 30-caliber or 0.308" diameter bullets. To better understand and appreciate the .338s potency at long distance on big game, I can recall an Alaskan hunter who gut-shot a large bull moose with a big-bore, bolt-action rifle at less than 100 yards, missed his second shot and then severely scope-cut his forehead with his third shot and was unable to shoot again. Thanks Jim. Instead, imagine a baseball traveling at 25 inches per second that hits your shoulder. Handloaders can simply put less powder in the cartridge, but even those who purchase factory ammunition can often find reduced recoil loads which can reduce the recoil by approximately 10%. After that, the .308 Winchester starts to leave its effective range, while the .28 Nosler is still flying with significant energy. One item I remain curious about is where the 12 gauge shotgun cartridge fits. Smaller-framed or young shooters generally consider the cartridge as having high recoil, but its recoil is manageable for experienced large-framed shooters to be able to shoot it regularly. Recoil is the force of a gun pushing back against the shooter when a bullet is fired. Short Belted and .334 O.K.H. Lu, Sooo Glad that youve decided to Bypass these Anti-Second Amendment Attacks . The 300 PRC has a maximum pressure of 62,000 psi, which is about average for a magnum cartridge. 33 Nosler 250gr Partition Trophy Grade Ammunition, 33 Nosler 300gr Custom Competition Match Grade Ammunition, 33 Nosler 225gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Ammunition, 33 Nosler 265gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Long Range Ammunition. Long Belted was based on the full-length .300 H&H Magnum case blown out and necked to accept .333-inch bullets and was easily the most potent of the three cartridges. The Model 48 and .33 Nosler proved an accurate combination, with several three-shot groups hovering under .5-inch. I dont see anywhere in the article where I said the muzzle velocity of a 50BMG? My kids both shoot 6.5 Creedmoor for hunting deer-sized game. They share a maximum body diameter of 14.0mm (0.550in). On the other hand, my Howa in .308 Winchester (shooting 150 grain bullets at about 2800 fps) had very little recoil because it had a much thicker recoil pad (about 1) that was also much softer than the one on the Ruger. The rifle is offered in some stout cartridges, including 26 Nosler, 28 Nosler, 30 Nosler, and 33 Nosler, as well as 300 Win. From 140-175 it runs a little faster with higher BC and SD'ed bullets. For example, in 1958 Winchester announced the .338 Winchester Magnum (for the Model 70 rifle), which was the .300 H&H Magnum case shortened, blown out with a 25-degree shoulder and necked to accept .338-inch bullets. Overall, thanks again for the work and please publish the data with straight ft lbs instead of the Hornady math as well. Thanks, buddy! Nosler M48 Patriot 308 $ OUT OF STOCK. It is purely a big-game hunting cartridge that utilizes .338-inch bullets. We can see that the .28 Nosler has quite a smaller bullet and length than the .308 Winchester: it is just . The newest .338 magnum, the 33 Nosler arrived on the market in 2016. As yet, no one offers a 250 grain AccuBond in factory ammo for the 33 Nosler, and it would have scored closer to the .338 RUM with a 250. The .308 Winchester can also be found in some semi-automatic rifles, though .308 semi-automatic rifles are often more expensive than more common semi-automatic rounds. I do NOT recommend muzzle brakes for youth shooters because the loudness scares them more than the recoileven with hearing protection on. Thank you Jim for your awesome videos and all the hard work in compiling this table! Suppose a giant, heavy semi-truck is parked in front of you with your shoulder on the bumper. For these same reasons, the .33 Nosler has had the shoulder datum moved back (or is shorter) than the .30 Nosler. Great Channel , Great Content , Great Nation . The overall cartridge length of 84.8mm (3.340in) is the same as that of the .30-06 Springfield, allowing the use of widely available standard-length actions. . The trouble with this formula is that most people dont know the powder charge unless they hand load their own ammunition, and all of the other number depend on several factors. Nosler. The Younger Generation Not So Much . I was wondering why I never see anyone do videos on one of the greatest calibers of all time.. the 8 x57 Mauser. You mentioned Weatherby rifles because of stock design helps with recoil! most is oh it feels like a ( insert rifle caliber here) i know im shooting a inline with 60 grains of pyrodex and a 250 grain bullet out of a 10 lb rifle, it feels like my 3030 but i have no way of knowing if im risking my life with the recoil. I stand by everything I wrote in that article, with the caveat that powerful cartridges are useful in certain roles if the hunter can learn to shoot them well. Appreciate the hours of hard work . Thanks Jim. with the bullet mass and frontal area of a .338 Win. Well, no one needs oneit has been proven over and over again that one can just about hunt the world with a .270 or a .30-06 with good bullets so long as we arent going after the bigger half of the big five. Water capacity (filled level with the case mouth) is 94.6 grains, while the case weight is 281.8 grains with a primer installed. Follow along to see exactly how. Throughout shooting sessions, the trigger broke cleanly at 2 34 pounds. Jim, so much work is summarized in what you have built. ), .330 Dakota and others. When a caliber packs a heavy punch, it usually kicks right back onto your shoulder. Appreciate and enjoy all the the content you put out. Thank you for your hard workvery much appreciated. Great info. The Nosler AccuBond is one of the best all-round big-game bullets offered, and Weatherby has smarly offered . The .33 Nosler is a .33-caliber (.338 in; 8.6 mm), rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. 105. I believe both rifles weighed about the same. [16] This is fascinating. 10. . Nosler has just introduced a new SAAMI-spec .338-caliber cartridge, the 33 Nosler, which is based on the 404 Jeffrey parent case. Grizzly, caribou. For deer-sized game, it is recommended that you have at least 1,000 ft-lbs of energy, a Hornady HITS formula ranking of at least 500, and at least 1,900 fps of velocity. If you are a serious elk hunter, the .33 Nosler would be hard to beat. This is rad, but would be even sweeter if you allowed visitors to sort by columns of their choice. if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'backfire_tv-box-4','ezslot_26',175,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-backfire_tv-box-4-0'); The formula for determining the free recoil energy of a firearm is (Rifle Weight in Pounds/64.34) *(Recoil Velocity in FPS^2). The .33 Nosler is a .33-caliber (.338in; 8.6mm), rebated-rim centerfire rifle cartridge designed by Nosler. Your email address will not be published. I tried Chrome and Firefox. As I stressed in my earlier piece, there are no free lunches in physics: the 33 Noslers power comes at a price in-terms of recoil. Nothing to sneeze at. Is there any possibility you can provide the spreadsheets themselves? It generates 21.34 ft-lbs of energy at 12.55 fps. [8], When released, the .26 Nosler was claimed to be the most powerful commercial 6.5mm cartridge in the world. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Get Special Offers Delivered Right to Your Inbox. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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